From michael@newearth.org Mon May 1 20:56:25 2000 From: michael@newearth.org (Michael David) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 16:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: LUCERNA: E-mail lists update Message-ID: Dear Friends, I have set up some more addresses under novahierosolyma.org. Some of these are group discussions, like "Reform" and others are aliases that forward mail to another address. The groups are incomplete because not everyone has e-mail. Address Who gets it ------------------------------------------------------- ac@novahierosolyma.org Advisory Council assembly@novahierosolyma.org Advisory Council bishop@novahierosolyma.org Alfred Acton chat@novahierosolyma.org Chat Mailing List clergy@novahierosolyma.org Clergy Mailing List imt@novahierosolyma.org Interim Management Team lucerna@novahierosolyma.org Lucerna Mailing List reform@novahierosolyma.org Reform Mailing List test@novahierosolyma.org Test Mailing List Members of the Advisory Council with e-mail addresses known to me were placed on the "AC" mailing list, with the group address ac@novahierosolyma.org: riley@new-church.freeserve.co.uk (Norman Riley) hussfulmerz@snowcrest.net (Sher Huss-Fulmer) DMSever@aol.com (Dushan Sever) IWSAL@aol.com (Ilah Salverian) michael@newearth.org (Michael David) swedenborgiana@tip.nl (Guus Janssens) jonastebo@hotmail.com (Jonas Mphatse) MYardumi@newchurch.edu (Mira Yardumian) luken@newearth.org (Dawn Potts) ccodhner@newchurch.edu (Durban Odhner via Carroll) Voting priests who participated in the Council of the Clergy with e-mail addresses known to me were placed on the "CLERGY" mailing list, with the group address clergy@novahierosolyma.org: DMSever@aol.com (Dushan Sever) ccodhner@newchurch.edu (Durban Odhner via Carroll) xenolith@newearth.org (Alan Longstaff) JHOdhner@aol.com (Julien H. Odhner II) RSilver777@aol.com (Ray Silverman) sburleigh@worldnet.att.net (Stephen Burleigh) Members of the Interim Management Team with e-mail addresses known to me were placed on the "IMT" mailing list, with the group address imt@novahierosolyma.org: ccodhner@newchurch.edu (Durban Odhner via Carroll) xenolith@newearth.org (Alan Longstaff) RSilver777@aol.com (Ray Silverman) luken@newearth.org (Luken Potts) I hope these are useful. I'd be happy to set up an alias for anyone who needs an address @novahierosolyma.org. Yours, Michael From michael@newearth.org Fri Oct 20 13:44:08 2000 From: michael@newearth.org (Michael David) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 09:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: LUCERNA: Assembly Website In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Friends, The first draft of the Assembly Web Site is up at http://novahierosolyma.org/assembly -- Michael V. David - MVD53 - michael@newearth.org - mvd@netaxs.com WEB: http://www.netaxs.com/~mvd/mvd - http://www.newearth.org/~michael IRC: irc.newearth.org#newearth - AIM: newearth7 - GPS: 40 07 53 N, 75 04 04 W Quicquid latine dicitur, altum videtur. From michael@newearth.org Thu Oct 26 04:36:45 2000 From: michael@newearth.org (Michael David) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: LUCERNA: Assembly Website Message-ID: Dear Friends, Several papers are now available on the Assembly Website http://novahierosolyma.org/assembly including the Handbook. Yours, Michael -- Michael V. David - MVD53 - michael@newearth.org - mvd@netaxs.com WEB: http://www.netaxs.com/~mvd/mvd - http://www.newearth.org/~michael IRC: irc.newearth.org#newearth - AIM: newearth7 - GPS: 40 07 53 N, 75 04 04 W Quicquid latine dicitur, altum videtur. From michael@newearth.org Thu Oct 26 22:46:19 2000 From: michael@newearth.org (Michael David) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: LUCERNA: Assembly Website In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A number of changes have been made: http://novahierosolyma.org/assembly Enjoy! -- Michael V. David - MVD53 - michael@newearth.org - mvd@netaxs.com WEB: http://www.netaxs.com/~mvd/mvd - http://www.newearth.org/~michael IRC: irc.newearth.org#newearth - AIM: newearth7 - GPS: 40 07 53 N, 75 04 04 W Quicquid latine dicitur, altum videtur. From JohnOdhner@aol.com Fri Oct 27 20:13:22 2000 From: JohnOdhner@aol.com (JohnOdhner@aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:13:22 EDT Subject: LUCERNA: Assembly Website Message-ID: <8f.2634e68.272b3be2@aol.com> Dear Michael, I enjoyed your brief essay on roles of men and women in the church, posted at the assembly website. I have been thinking about some of those passages myself, wondering how to apply them. We can take the passages on a spiritual level, the implication is that "male" and "female" represent our thoughts and affections. Consequently, the statements about male and female roles can be taken to apply to the inner relationship between thoughts and affections. We don't need to necessarily represent those inner relationships by clearly defined ourward roles for men and women. My question is this: If we take the statements about men and women that way, should we not also take the statements about priests that way? Is there a need for an ordained priesthood? That is, the church should be governed by love for the Lord and the neighbor, not by outward representations of love for the Lord and the neigbhbor. This line of thinking leads to something like "the priesthood of all believers" espoused by the Reformers. Except that it would be "the priesthood of all lovers" instead. Love, John From michael@newearth.org Sat Oct 28 11:06:24 2000 From: michael@newearth.org (Michael David) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 07:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: LUCERNA: Assembly Website In-Reply-To: <8f.2634e68.272b3be2@aol.com> Message-ID: Dear John, My hope is to avoid imposing differences on men and women from without. I'm quite sure that there are real differences that arise from within, and that any external use, done by a man or by a woman, will turn into a different thing for each one. I think external differences and functions, which are specific to individuals, also serve internal things that are more universal. There are things within all of us that are represented in the Word by women and men, and the existence of actual women and men serves to evoke those internal things, and makes them available to everyone on an internal level. I think of the teachings about how everyone in the world can have spiritual light because a few people have the Word. I think it's similar with the priesthood, with external worship, with group projects and discussions, and other things that exist externally in the church. That is, people who serve in the priesthood in an external way are serving to evoke an internal priesthood that exists with everyone. This internal priesthood is the Lord's work of saving each person. Put another way, the "celestial kingdom" is the priesthood of heaven, and that exists in an internal way with everyone. So, yes, the Lord's love in everyone is the real priesthood. Still, I don't think we will stop having an external distinction between priesthood and laity anytime soon. It is a result of the way people are inspired by the Lord to participate in the church, and the external difference serves and evokes internal things in all of us. But I think the long-term trend will be to take the externals more lightly, and to see through them more clearly. Love, Michael On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 JohnOdhner@aol.com wrote: > > I enjoyed your brief essay on roles of men and women in > the church, posted at the assembly website. I have been > thinking about some of those passages myself, wondering > how to apply them. > > We can take the passages on a spiritual level, the > implication is that "male" and "female" represent our > thoughts and affections. Consequently, the statements > about male and female roles can be taken to apply to the > inner relationship between thoughts and affections. We > don't need to necessarily represent those inner > relationships by clearly defined ourward roles for men > and women. > > My question is this: If we take the statements about > men and women that way, should we not also take the > statements about priests that way? Is there a need for > an ordained priesthood? That is, the church should be > governed by love for the Lord and the neighbor, not by > outward representations of love for the Lord and the > neigbhbor. > > This line of thinking leads to something like "the > priesthood of all believers" espoused by the Reformers. > Except that it would be "the priesthood of all lovers" > instead. > > Love, > > John > > -- Michael V. David - MVD53 - michael@newearth.org - mvd@netaxs.com WEB: http://www.netaxs.com/~mvd/mvd - http://www.newearth.org/~michael IRC: irc.newearth.org#newearth - AIM: newearth7 - GPS: 40 07 53 N, 75 04 04 W Quicquid latine dicitur, altum videtur.